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Hello,
I have the same problem.
Suppose I have a picture description "école de ..."
Searching "école" gives a result containing this picture. OK.
But searching "ecole" does not return this picture as a result.
Is it possible to rencode accentuated characters to be searched like
é -> e
è -> e
ế -> e
à -> a
etc.
Thanks in advance.
Well, technically those are not the same character and therefore not found.
It will be really complicated. How should we know that a search for "ecole" means "école"? That would imply that the search engine understands the word in French and knows that this word is written with an accent.
I would recommend to add tags with and without the accent and turn on the tag suggest plugin.
I am not an expert in search engine, but I suppose there are different ways to do that:
convert both search word and (dynamically) all text field where the search is made.
exemple : search word "école" is converted to "ecole" and all contents like "école primaire" or "école secondaire" are converted to "ecole primaire" or "ecole secondaire".
then search engine on converted keyword "ecole" can find some results.
made a search on a part of search criteria without any accentuated characters : with "école" criteria, search on "cole"
with a search word like "ecoliere" create as many search word with all accentuated characters that can be in the word : écoliere, ècolière, ecolïere,... and then made the search on all this words collection, and then the right word "écolière" can be found by the search engine on some content fields.
I don't know if it exists, but use a webservice that can make some proposal to convert incorrects words
(a search on "ecoliére" gives someting like : you mean "écolière", and then made a search on this right word.
There is probably other ideas to do this achievment.
of course, I supose that is not a good idea in this open source project: google search engine is a webservice.
I don't know if this webservice can index all the content of a website and then allow search on it with errors on search words (or errors on content).
other open source search webservices exist, as far I can search (with google, sorry ;-) : https://www.google.com/search?q=open+source+search+engine
You in any case need a huge catalog to know what to replace and use as alternatives or additions. "école" > "ecole" is easy but you also need the other way round of courses.
This would in any case requires a huge catalog of almost all languages to work as expected. Don't forget Google has this huge catalog because it is a billion dollar heavy company ;-) If you really need this Google provides means to include a site wide limited search into your site via their APIs. There are other search engines (and more privacy friendly ones) that might provide similar.
@ctdlg
are you sure of your trouble?
on my site (https://www.vincentbourganel.fr), keywords like "Mélie", "mélie", "Melie" and "melie" give (almost, see below) the same results:
so zenphoto search engine seems to be case insensitive and doesn't care of accentuated characters (in search keywords and in contents)
@acrylian
I wrote "almost", because all what I wrote is right if I choose all search fields but "tags".
But search on tags only seems to be more strict:
Search engine on tags only seems to be case insensitive but seems to be accentuted characters sensitive.
Maybe there is something to do on this way...
The case should really not matter on searching because it is really the same work no matter of the case.
Probably because of that. Perhaps you have the word without accents in one other field so the general search covers it.
Thank you for all your comments.
Yes, Zenphoto is not case-sensitive. Nice feature.
There is another way : using the word "ecole" in the file name and the word "école" in the description.
And I will also have a look to this kind of info : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1017599/how-do-i-remove-accents-from-characters-in-a-php-string
@ vincent3569 : yes, I'm sure, I triple checked with different french words. Zenphoto 1.5.
And why do I want this feature ?
because many french people do not know much about spelling. École is not a good example, as everyone (is at - or) went to school - fière is a better one, many people will search for fiere ...
And will get no result.
From the above link, the wordpress method is supposed to be the best.
I've added their "convert" function to zenphoto functions.php file
(utf8 method for me)
I have to understand how the zenphoto search operates to adapt and use this function.
Stay tuned.
As mentioned we have a plugin with a similar convert function like wp called zenphoto_seo that clears filenames/titlelinks etc if enabled. If that should be used.
I suppose I have to convert both the sql field entries and the search word entered by the visitor : école in the database will be converted to ecole, user can enter école or ecole ! it should work.
@acrylian : seo_zenphoto does not help with search function : "ecole" does not return "école" items.
Or you assign two tags in all required writings. Of course for general free text search in the description that will be not usable. But for all that can use tags.
No, of course it does not becuase that is not setup to work like that. I meant if any replacement woud have to be done there is no need to add an additional function that does basically the same.
@ctdlg: as a french people, of course I am concerned with accentuated characters ;-)
@acrylian: I have a test with a new tag "chèvre".
have a look on my test site with keywords "chèvre", "chevre", "Chèvre" and "Chevre".
https://test.vincentbourganel.fr/page/archive/
there are 3 pictures with "chèvre" in description
there is one picture with tag "chèvre"
there is on news with "chèvre" in content.
picture with tag "chèvre" is only found with accentuated keywords "chèvre" and "Chèvres".
other items are found with all keywords above (accentuated or not).
so search engine seems to have specific behavior with tags.
Yes, a direct tag search uses a specific url since you explicitly request that when clicking on the link. This is rather expected behaviour.
I don't use tag on tag cloud in the end of my page but I use the search input.
To be more clear on my scenario:
If I use "chèvre" or "Chèvre" as keyword on all fields, there are 5 items found (including item with tag "chèvre").
But if I use "chevre" or "Chevre" as keyword, there are only 4 items found: the picture with tag "chèvre" is not found.
so search on tags content seems to be "case insensitive" but "characters sensitive".
objectively, i don't see reason to privilege the "case insensitive" and not "characters insensitive" as it is done on the contents of all the fields of the gallery.
Did you clear or disable the search cache, too? Jus to be sure nothing interferes. I will try to reproduce this as soon as I get the time.
Btw, the next major release planned will see some changes to tags that might impact searching on them so I am not sure I will work on this in 1.5.x anymore to avoid double work. I seriously need to start to be overly picky…
Yes, the search cache is disabled and cleared.
@ctdlg: on witch contents have you your trouble?
as we could see, the search on pictures descriptions and news/pages contents gives good results with accentuated characters except on tag.
can you provide a link?
@vincent3569
I just wrote a message on this forum to announce my website:
https://clatique.fr
And yes, i get same search results as you.
Search Neopolis or Néopolis .
on pages, accents do not matter !